Page 5 sur 10 PremièrePremière ... 34567 ... DernièreDernière
Affichage des résultats 41 à 50 sur 98

Discussion: Maison Redpath (1886-2014)

  1. #1
    Mtlurb Godfather
    Date d'inscription
    décembre 2007
    Localisation
    Chateauguay
    Messages
    2 318

    Par défaut Maison Redpath (1886-2014)

    The redpath mansion is crumbling, but residents and protectors of the city's heritage buildings balk at allowing a developer to raze the house and build anew

    LINDA GYULAI,
    The Gazette August 19, 2010

    The remains of the Redpath Mansion on downtown du Musee Ave. have stood for 24 years as a vestige of what preservationists hoped was a bygone era of battles to save heritage in Montreal's Square Mile.

    However, a developer's renewed request to demolish what is left of the deteriorating structure at 3455-3457 du Musee to replace it with a 14-unit condo project is again sparking debate.

    The Ville Marie borough will hold a public hearing Tuesday on the project by Amos and Michael Sochaczevski, who are father and son, as well as on five other rezoning projects around the borough.

    The Queen Anne-style mansion was built in 1886 by architect Sir Andrew Taylor for the Redpath family, which founded the sugar-refining company of the same name, on a slope of Mount Royal overlooking Sherbrooke St. W.

    Demolition was started in 1986 when members of the Sochaczevski family bought it, but Heritage Montreal sought a court injunction to halt it. That left the facade and about 10 metres of the side walls standing. A city appeal board blocked a second request by the Sochaczevskis to demolish the remaining structure in February 2002.

    Now, the latest project calls for demolition and construction of a seven-storey building with 28 underground parking spaces. The top three floors would be of glass and recessed on all sides so it's not noticeable from the street, the owners say. The project, which passed first reading at a borough council meeting in July, would stand 25 metres high, while the zoning allows for 16 metres.

    However, Heritage Montreal says the plan violates an agreement it signed with the city and the Sochaczevskis in 1986 after the initial demolition was halted. The agreement called for any future project to preserve and integrate the remains of the original building. It also called for the project to respect the scale and design of the original building.

    "The Redpath project involves 24 years of trying to have discussions and it's being treated in a very shallow fashion," Heritage Montreal policy director Dinu Bumbaru said.

    However, the Sochaczevskis say the project is greatly reduced from an initial plan to build 11 storeys, and will breathe life into a derelict site.

    "Finally, after 20 years, we have a project that will put a development worthy of the Golden Square Mile on the site," Michael Sochaczevski said. "There is no building, there is only a ruined front."

    The plan is to use the foundation of the original building and reuse some elements, such as the stone, in the new project, he said. " We took a lot of things into account and we tried to please everybody and still have a reasonable project that makes common sense," Amos Sochaczevski said.

    Moreover, the site is surrounded by 11-, 17-and 20-storey towers on neighbouring streets, the Sochaczevskis say. However, Bumbaru countered that most of the towers date back to the 1970s when Montreal was a "frontier town" that lacked zoning rules.

    "Nobody here says: 'Don't develop,' " said Jean-Francois Sauve, who lives behind the mansion on de la Montagne St. "Just respect the agreements that were made and the (zoning) rules that are in place.

    Sauve says he's also concerned the project will block sunlight on his property and allow residents to peer into his garden and home. "It's quite surprising that we're right downtown and the city can't enforce simple zoning," he said. "It's actually quite alarming."

    Read more: http://www.montrealgazette.com/Mansi...#ixzz0x4A1M8SA

  2. #41
    Date d'inscription
    décembre 2010
    Localisation
    Montreal
    Messages
    916

    Par défaut

    I was exactly like you guys before... ''bring it down'' until I was face to face to this building and my opinion to bring it down went away... It is stunning even if its all in decay... I know we on this forum love tall buildings and new projects, but in the defence of heritage and this marvellous house, sometimes we must protect our gems.

  3. #42
    Date d'inscription
    mai 2007
    Localisation
    Montréal
    Messages
    5 956

    Par défaut

    Oh it still has its charms, but that isn't the point. It's a point where it would be easier to destroy the house and rebuild it exactly as it was. Have you seen the back side as Gilbert mentions? Structurally the building is not sound.

  4. #43
    Date d'inscription
    juin 2008
    Localisation
    Montréal
    Messages
    2 932

    Par défaut

    Citation Envoyé par Memphis 22 Voir le message

    La maison Redpath ou plutôt ce qu’il en reste, vue de la cour arrière
    J'invite tous ceux que la maison Redpath intéresse d'aller voir sur place pour se faire une idée de l'état des lieux

  5. #44
    Date d'inscription
    février 2008
    Localisation
    Rosemont-La Petite-Patrie
    Messages
    306

    Par défaut

    J'ai pas nécessairement de problème avec la destruction, même si j'aimerais qu'il réutilise la devanture dans un nouveau projet. Mais si le plan d'urbanisme dit 3 étages, ben c'est 3 étages pis ça fini là. Essaye pas de faire 7 étages la rue est 3. Si on lance le message qu'on peut laisser une maison à l'abandon pour finir par avoir ce qu'on veut il est là le problème.

  6. #45
    Date d'inscription
    avril 2010
    Localisation
    514!
    Messages
    1 925

    Par défaut

    Citation Envoyé par Cataclaw Voir le message
    Oh it still has its charms, but that isn't the point. It's a point where it would be easier to destroy the house and rebuild it exactly as it was. Have you seen the back side as Gilbert mentions? Structurally the building is not sound.
    I don't know if the structure is so much "not sound" as the structure is not actually there anymore

    It seems like a state of decrepitude brought on by the city regulations not allowing anyone to tear it down and build something on the site and repairing it not being realistic...

    But anyway we need some Detroity urban ruins It is a nice property-value destroyer so buy the adjacent houses for yourself and then when the Redpath is finally razed and something else made, you can flip your houses at a profit since the crackheads and the eyesore will be disappeared.
    So live this day that you can look every damn man straight in the eye and tell him to go to hell.

  7. #46
    Date d'inscription
    septembre 2009
    Localisation
    Montreal
    Messages
    97

    Par défaut

    Je verrai très bien une intégration genre Au Village Du Musée ou La Villa Prince Arthur. Sauf qu'au contraire de ces projets, ici on démolirait toute la structure interne (qui est perdue de toute façon), et on garde la brique. Cela donnerait une belle vitrine sur le projet. On y intègre ensuite un bel immeuble moderne en béton-verre en arrière, il y a suffisamment d'espace (1100m2 en tout selon le cadastre). Même dans les limites d'urbanisme, il y a de quoi faire de l'argent avec. Des condos de qualité dans ce coin pourraient se vendre facilement >700 le pi2. Pas besoin de faire un bloc poche de 7 étages pour rentrer dans ton argent.

  8. #47
    Date d'inscription
    avril 2010
    Localisation
    Montreal
    Messages
    4 442

    Par défaut Nouvelle proposition v2012

    Au conseil de l’arrondissement ce soir, le maire a mentionné que le propriétaire du Maison Redpath va présenter un nouveau projet à la Ville demain.

  9. #48
    Date d'inscription
    mai 2012
    Localisation
    Montreal
    Messages
    74

    Par défaut

    I for one agree that it would be fantastic to see someone step up to the plate (i.e. a Desmarais, Molson, Laliberté) and buy Redpath, restore it and enjoy it as an amazing private residence literally steps from downtown. However, if you’ve ever actually been at the back of the house you will understand that the building in its current shape is not salvageable. Not only would they have to buy it from under the developer for at least $3-4M, another $4-5M and would have to be invested to rebuild from scratch. Not sure someone has the money/time/patience to attempt this.

    @etienne Canderel probably regrets buying the Thompson and Sparrow manors as they have been on the market since 2008 and are now being marketed as a package deal for $13M. They are trying to get rid of both and from what I hear they would only break even (not even counting the cost of capital for 5 years). I don’t think renovating/rebuilding and flipping Redpath is a feasible solution for all parties involved.

    If the developer wants to go new they should at least hire competent architects like Robert A.M. Stern; I think a building like the Edgewater in West Vancouver (http://www.ramsa.com/projects-search...edgewater.html) with a limestone cladding (actual limestone and not poured concrete) would fit in well (albeit with fewer stories) and the higher units would have very nice views. One can dream but let’s not forget this is Montreal. 7 floors is not out of the question @MarcoMtl, last time I checked 3495 du Musée has 6 and it is higher up on the mountain.

    Then again if Héritage Montréal likes the house so much, why don’t they buy it instead of bitching and moaning? Apparently they would like to ask for an injunction forcing the owner to restore Redpath at their expense... How is that even legal?! Who knows what will happen, all I know is that the building in its current form is an accident waiting to happen (I bet the owner(s) are just waiting for it to collapse) and if I lived on du Musée I would be pissed.

    Oh and BTW the pile across the street on 21K sq. ft. of land is for sale for $18M if anyone is interested (http://lizakaufman.com/details.php?l...ange=10&type=R). I wonder if someone would be allowed to tear it down to make way for something else. How can one check if a building is landmarked or if there are any restrictions pertaining to its demolition?

  10. #49
    Date d'inscription
    avril 2010
    Localisation
    Montreal
    Messages
    4 442

    Par défaut

    Last night at the council meeting, a neighbour to the Redpath was complaining about the state of the building and how this has been going on for so many years (about 25 I think)...The mayor said he would make sure the mansion is safe and ensure that the area on the grounds are fixed up. He also said that the MMFA did consider buying the building, but are involved with an expansion project on McKay.

  11. #50
    Date d'inscription
    juillet 2007
    Localisation
    Montréal metro
    Messages
    7 861

    Par défaut

    Citation Envoyé par brightlightsbigcity Voir le message
    ...

    @etienne Canderel probably regrets buying the Thompson and Sparrow manors as they have been on the market since 2008 and are now being marketed as a package deal for $13M. They are trying to get rid of both and from what I hear they would only break even (not even counting the cost of capital for 5 years). I don’t think renovating/rebuilding and flipping Redpath is a feasible solution for all parties involved.
    ...
    Bienvenu sur le forum !!!

    Et oui, peut-être que Canderel regrette l'achat et la réno de ces deux superbes maisons, mais ce fut une bénédiction pour le patrimoine de la ville. Merci à Canderel ! Ils pourraient pratiquement demander un crédit d'impôt pour sauvegarde de monument à grande valeur patrimonial.
    Dernière modification par monctezuma ; 09/05/2012 à 21h19.

Règles de messages

  • Vous ne pouvez pas créer de nouvelles discussions
  • Vous ne pouvez pas envoyer des réponses
  • Vous ne pouvez pas envoyer des pièces jointes
  • Vous ne pouvez pas modifier vos messages
  •